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CAPrivEye: Hello and good evening:)
BCFUNDING: no, but it hit all around us. you probably saw it on the news
MS8904: Hi
MS8904: Sure I did
CAPrivEye: This is the last class
BCFUNDING: hello
OnlineHost: CAnder7466 has entered the room.
CAPrivEye: so I will begin with hand checking public records
CAPrivEye: Government records
CAPrivEye: and then have a small test
CAPrivEye: that is open book
CAPrivEye: and online
CAPrivEye: so this way we can learn from each other
CAPrivEye: any questions before we begin?
OnlineHost: MONTANA192 has entered the room.
CAPrivEye: okay now i will begin discussions about Government public records
CAPrivEye: Professionals are thoroughly familiar with these records, and ...
CAPrivEye: they are authorities at accessing them which is why they charge
...
CAPrivEye: for their services.
CAPrivEye: No doubt, these records and their acquisition are complicated.
CAPrivEye: Simply put, there are too many offices and too many counties! ...
CAPrivEye: But once you have experience in using the base files and ...
CAPrivEye: documents, the on-line computer searches make more sense, and ...
CAPrivEye: you will then more clearly understand the limitations of such ...
CAPrivEye: searches.
CAPrivEye: Public records are Government records
CAPrivEye: andthey are generally free and can be searched at the county level
CAPrivEye: at the State and Federal levels restrictions begin
CAPrivEye: so here is a short list of common records
CAPrivEye: and what to expect in access
CAPrivEye: City and County Level
CAPrivEye: Type of General File to be Found Level of Access You Might ...
CAPrivEye: Find or Restrictions ...
CAPrivEye: (Remember each city and county government has different levels ...
CAPrivEye: of allowable access, reflected only broadly in this general ...
CAPrivEye: table.)
CAPrivEye: 1. Assignments (lien, judgment, etc.) 1. Access ...
CAPrivEye: generally no problem
CAPrivEye: 2. Bankruptcy 2. Access generally no problem
CAPrivEye: 3. Birth 3. Access generally no problem, cross references
...
CAPrivEye: available sometimes by date or name
CAPrivEye: ...
CAPrivEye: 4. Business license (city level) 4. Access generally no ...
CAPrivEye: problem
CAPrivEye: 5. Criminal case filings and complete court records 5. ...
CAPrivEye: Access generally no problem (must have case number which can ...
CAPrivEye: sometimes be found at municipal or superior court filing ...
CAPrivEye: offices, then go to the records room for the actual file)
CAPrivEye: 6. Civil litigation case filings and complete court records
...
CAPrivEye: 6. Access generally no problem (must have case number which ...
CAPrivEye: can sometimes be found at municipal or superior court filing ...
CAPrivEye: offices, then go to the records room for the actual file)
CAPrivEye: 7. Death 7. Access generally no problem
CAPrivEye: 8. Deeds (county recorders office) 8. Access generally ...
CAPrivEye: no problem
CAPrivEye: 9. Easement 9. Access generally no problem
CAPrivEye: 10. Fictitious business names 10. Access generally no ...
CAPrivEye: problem
CAPrivEye: 11. Marriage 11. Access generally no problem
CAPrivEye: 12. Pet, hunting, and fishing licenses (city level) 12. ...
CAPrivEye: Local laws apply
CAPrivEye: 13. Power of attorneys 13. Access generally no problem
CAPrivEye: 13. Power of attorneys 13. Access generally no problem
CAPrivEye: 14. Property ownership (county recorders office and can be ...
CAPrivEye: cross checked by tax assessors office) 14. Access ...
CAPrivEye: generally no problem
CAPrivEye: 15. Probate court filings and complete court records 15. ...
CAPrivEye: Access generally no problem
CAPrivEye: 15. Probate court filings and complete court records 15. ...
CAPrivEye: Access generally no problem ...
CAPrivEye: 16. Marriage separation and divorce 16. Access generally no
...
CAPrivEye: problem
CAPrivEye: 17. Small claims court 17. Access generally no problem ...
CAPrivEye: (must have case number which can sometimes be found at ...
CAPrivEye: municipal or superior court filing offices, then go to the ...
CAPrivEye: records room for the actual file)
CAPrivEye: 18. Tax assessment and payment 18. Access generally no ...
CAPrivEye: problem
CAPrivEye: 19. Voter's Registration Sometimes restricted for political
...
CAPrivEye: purposes only, but will provide name, address, telephone ...
CAPrivEye: number, oftentimes occupation, and additional information this
...
CAPrivEye: is the record a lot of professional PI's use
CAPrivEye: State Records
CAPrivEye: State records represent an outstanding resource, and they are ...
CAPrivEye: the only source of comprehensive, statewide research ...
CAPrivEye: information. Some of the state information is available ...
CAPrivEye: directly from state offices. However, because I want you to be
...
CAPrivEye: able to solve research cases within hours, let me describe the ...
CAPrivEye: practical access you may have to these records....
CAPrivEye: Once again, this is not a complete listing of information, but ...
CAPrivEye: it is a compilation of the most often used and discussed ...
CAPrivEye: records. I don't want to burden you with a compendium of all ...
CAPrivEye: the records. But I want you to become an expert on the common ...
CAPrivEye: records. At the state level, records are generally more ...
CAPrivEye: restricted than at local government offices. Why is this? ...
CAPrivEye: Simply because state governments generally place greater control
...
CAPrivEye: over records as they go from file to compilation form. In other
...
CAPrivEye: words, access to a list of everything is more limited than is ...
CAPrivEye: access to a single file (even though the file provides more ...
CAPrivEye: information). ...
CAPrivEye: ...
CAPrivEye: State Level...
CAPrivEye: Type of General File to be Found Level of Access You Might ...
CAPrivEye: Find or Restrictions ...
CAPrivEye: (Remember, again, each state government has varying levels of ...
CAPrivEye: allowable access, but this table reflects general practice.)
...
CAPrivEye: ...
CAPrivEye: 1. Bankruptcy (at court level) 1. Access generally no ...
CAPrivEye: problem ...
CAPrivEye: 2. Birth 2. Some restrictions apply; generally approval of ...
CAPrivEye: parties is needed ...
CAPrivEye: 3. Business license 3. Access generally no problem ...
CAPrivEye: 4. Criminal case filings and complete court records 4. ...
CAPrivEye: Access generally no problem (again, must have case number ...
CAPrivEye: which can sometimes be found at municipal or superior court ...
CAPrivEye: filing offices, then go to the records room for the actual ...
CAPrivEye: file) ...
CAPrivEye: 5. Civil litigation case filings and complete court records
...
CAPrivEye: 5. Access generally no problem (must have case number which ...
CAPrivEye: can sometimes be found at municipal or superior court filing ...
CAPrivEye: offices, then go to the records room for the actual file) ...
CAPrivEye: 6. Death 6. Access generally no problem ...
CAPrivEye: 7. Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) 7. Access ...
CAPrivEye: generally restricted (some states have few or no ...
CAPrivEye: limitations) ...
CAPrivEye: 8. Divorce 8. Some restrictions apply ...
CAPrivEye: 9. Fictitious business names 9. Access generally no problem
...
CAPrivEye: ...
CAPrivEye: 10. Marriage 10. Some restrictions apply ...
CAPrivEye: 11. Professional Licensing 11. Access generally no problem
...
CAPrivEye: ...
CAPrivEye: 12. Tax, Business (only, no personal records) 12. Access ...
CAPrivEye: generally no problem ...
CAPrivEye: 13. Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) 13. Access generally ...
CAPrivEye: no problem (provides associations to business activity by ...
CAPrivEye: name) ...
CAPrivEye: 14. University or colleges 14. Some restrictions ...
CAPrivEye: Remeber we are discussing the hand checking of public records at
Government offices here.
CAPrivEye: US Government Records
CAPrivEye: The key phrase here is "Freedom of Information Act." While ...
CAPrivEye: these federal records are somewhat interesting and provide some
...
CAPrivEye: military and other records, access takes time. A long wait is ...
CAPrivEye: often the rule. Court records are available by going into the ...
CAPrivEye: federal courthouses directly....
CAPrivEye: US Government Level...
CAPrivEye: Type of General File to be Found Level of Access You Might ...
CAPrivEye: Find or Restrictions ...
CAPrivEye: ...
CAPrivEye: 1. Bankruptcy (Federal court level) 1. Access generally ...
CAPrivEye: no problem
CAPrivEye: 2. Criminal case filings and complete court records...
CAPrivEye: (Federal court level) 2. Access generally no problem ...
CAPrivEye: (must have case number)
CAPrivEye: 3. Civil litigation case filings and complete court records ...
CAPrivEye: (Federal court level) 3. Access generally no problem ...
CAPrivEye: (must have case number)
CAPrivEye: 4. Social Security Administration 4. 1-800-772-1213, will ...
CAPrivEye: confirm if individual is living or dead and will forward a ...
CAPrivEye: letter (you must have the Social Security number)
CAPrivEye: 5. Inmate Locator Line 5. Public Information, Bureau of ...
CAPrivEye: Prisons, U.S. Department of Justice, 320 1st St., NW, Room 64,
...
CAPrivEye: Washington, DC 20536 (202) 307-3198 or the hotline at ...
CAPrivEye: (202) 307-3126
MS8904: So if you do not have a case number you are up you know what's creek.
CAPrivEye: 6. U.S. Army Active Personnel Locator 6. U.S. Department of
...
CAPrivEye: the Army, Worldwide Locator, EREC, Ft. Benjamin Harrison, IN ...
CAPrivEye: 46249-5301 (317) 542-4211 (limited service provided) ...
CAPrivEye: 7. Bureau of Naval Personnel 7. Navy Department, Washington,
...
CAPrivEye: DC 20370 (limited service provided)
CAPrivEye: 8. U.S. Marine Corps 8. Headquarters, Washington, DC 20380 ...
CAPrivEye: (limited service provided)
CAPrivEye: 9. U.S. Air Force 9. Airmen Records Annex, Randolph Air ...
CAPrivEye: Force Base, San Antonio, TX 78291 (limited service provided)
...
CAPrivEye: 10. U.S. Department of Transportation 10. U.S. Coast Guard,
...
CAPrivEye: 400 7th Street SW, Washington, DC 20590 (limited service ...
CAPrivEye: provided)
CAPrivEye: 11. Army Discharged Personnel Locator Service 11. National ...
CAPrivEye: Personnel Records Center, 9700 Page Blvd., St. Louis, MO ...
CAPrivEye: 63132-5200 (314) 538-4201 (limited service provided) ...
CAPrivEye: 12. Army Personnel Locator 12. U.S. Army Worldwide Locator,
...
CAPrivEye: ELREC, Fort Benjamin Harrison, IN 46249-5301 (317) 542-4211 ...
CAPrivEye: (limited service provided)
CAPrivEye: 13. Military Records 13. National Personnel Records Center ...
CAPrivEye: Military Personnel Records...
CAPrivEye: 9700 Page Avenue, St. Louis, MO 62132-5100 or e-mail at ...
CAPrivEye: center@stlouis.nara.gov
CAPrivEye: 14. Army Reserve Personnel Center 1. U.S. Department of the
...
CAPrivEye: Army, 9700 Page Blvd., St. Louis, MO 63132-5200 (314) ...
CAPrivEye: 538-3828 (limited service provided)
CAPrivEye: Remeber that Government offices and employees cannot give out any
personal information
CAPrivEye: regarding files in their care or other employees.
CAPrivEye: Violations are $1000 fine or one year in jail.
CAPrivEye: okay what are your questions?
MS8904: What happens if you are looking for someone out of state and can not
go directly to the
MS8904: local office
CAPrivEye: This is the reason why information brokers have become a large
business.
MS8904: How so?
MS8904: That is why I am here tonight?
MS8904: !!!!!
CAnder7466: How would one know which place to look first?
CAPrivEye: Going online I can do that from my house or office, I do not need
to go to a Government offi
CAPrivEye: ce. That is the reason why information brokers have become a
large business.
CAPrivEye: next question?
MONTANA192: HOW do you get it online
CAPrivEye: do you mean with an information broker/
CAnder7466: If you're looking for someone remove from a home by the State
when young where would you sta
MS8904: So I cannot find anything about someone unless I employ a Information
Broker? is that what
OnlineHost: Margen3 has entered the room.
MWHILBURN: search engines, web pages, etc
MONTANA192: So you use an info broker
MS8904: are saying?
CAPrivEye: okay wait I will bring up an information brokers sign up
page...please wait
MS8904: I bought that book Naked in Cyberspace and I am taking it back
because it is a bunch of BULL
MONTANA192: OH really
MS8904: Are you talking to me Montana?
MONTANA192: YES MS
MS8904: Did you write the book?
MONTANA192: YES
MS8904: FOR SURE!!!!
MONTANA192: I'm a spy
MONTANA192: I'm insulted
MS8904: a spy or a fly?
MONTANA192: both
MS8904: Really, can I hire you?
MONTANA192: I charge alot
MS8904: I BET
MS8904: for what services
MONTANA192: Wheres CA
CAPrivEye: okay send me an IM and I will send you all a hyper-link to a
typical signup sheet
MS8904: You tell me, you are the SPY
OnlineHost: MS8904 has left the room.
OnlineHost: MS8904 has entered the room.
MONTANA192: On the sign up form they ask for your SS# why do you have to give
yours if you want info on
MONTANA192: someone else
BCFUNDING: CAPrivEye: I have already signed up with CDB infotek & IRSC are
these good ones?
CAnder7466: Is it tru that the more you give your SSN the more people know
about you?
MONTANA192: Again why do you have to give your SS#
CAPrivEye: not sure
MONTANA192: What would happen if you don't give it
CAPrivEye: they will not do business with you, they will check you out
too....
CAPrivEye: they want to make sure you have a business
CAPrivEye: next question?
CAnder7466: You never answered my first !
CAPrivEye: CDB and IRSC are excellent information brokers
MS8904: Hello!!! I would like to know more about your services and please
send me the hyperlink
CAPrivEye: next question?
Margen3: What if I don't need a business lic. # in my village?
CAPrivEye: well the point here, is that information brokers want to work with
people that
CAPrivEye: have business reasons for their services
CAPrivEye: so the details are unimportant how you get there
CAPrivEye: next question?
Margen3: what can I enter for a #
CAnder7466: IWhat if you are tryimg to find a family memeber?
CAPrivEye: generally they will not work with you to locate a family member
that is what PI's are for
CAPrivEye: remember Confi-Chek is just one of thousands of information
brokers
CAPrivEye: just one of many companies
CAPrivEye: any more questions?
MS8904: I sent you an e-mail, can you please send me the hyperlink.
CAPrivEye: okay snet
CAPrivEye: any more questions? before our test?
CAPrivEye: okay lets begin then................
CAPrivEye: everyone that feels like answering please do so online here in the
classroom
CAPrivEye: no grades but rather an open discussion
CAPrivEye: then a question and answer period...
CAPrivEye: inclusive a few discussions of others topics...
CAPrivEye: please hold all questions until the end of this test...
CAPrivEye: then i will ANSWER ANYTHING on this topic of PI's
CAPrivEye: or investigations you might have...
CAPrivEye: okay first question
CAPrivEye: 1- How many credit bureaus exist today in the USA and name ...
CAPrivEye: them?
CAPrivEye: anyone?
BCFUNDING: 3
CAnder7466: three
Margen3: 3
BCFUNDING: Equifax, TRW, TransUnion
CAnder7466: Trans Union Equifax & TRW
CAPrivEye: TRW (experian), trans Unions and Equifax
CAPrivEye: 2 - What product in 1982 revolutionized the industry? Sold by ...
CAPrivEye: the credit bureaus.
MWHILBURN: headers
CAnder7466: Headers
Margen3: headers
CAPrivEye: CREDIT HEADERS! sold as products = address update or social...
CAPrivEye: security number trace
CAPrivEye: 3- What is our most powerful tool? and why?
MS8904: Pretexing
BCFUNDING: telephone
CAnder7466: Telephone
CAPrivEye: The TELEPHONE because other than tool charges it is free to get...
CAPrivEye: information!!!!
CAPrivEye: 4- With the telephone whom do we want to call?
BCFUNDING: friends, relatives, prior employers, etc.
MS8904: you
CAPrivEye: A- Some that knows is known as an EXPERT! yes!!!!!...
CAPrivEye: ...
CAPrivEye: the right .....you all are getting good at this!...
CAPrivEye: i am glad everyone seems to understand the concepts here
CAPrivEye: 5- What two methods do we use on the telephone?
CAPrivEye: A- the TRUTH and PRETEXTING
CAnder7466: Pretexting & Truth
CAPrivEye: 6 - What is pretexting?
MS8904: pretending
BCFUNDING: pretending
CAPrivEye: A - PRETENDING in a beleivable manner to gain support from ...
CAPrivEye: someone...
CAPrivEye: to tell you info you seek
CAnder7466: Saying what the Expect wants to hear so as to get your info
CAPrivEye: 7 - What are PUBLIC RECORDS?
MS8904: statistics
MWHILBURN: government records
BCFUNDING: government records that are not private info
Margen3: records anyone can get to
CAPrivEye: A - GOVERNMENT records that the public owns and can SEE free,...
CAPrivEye: generally at COUNTY level
CAPrivEye: 8- What are typical or examples of GOVERNMENT PUBLIC RECORDS?
BCFUNDING: liens, judgments, court records, birth,
MS8904: birth, death
MWHILBURN: voter reg, motor vehicle, liens, marriage, court
Margen3: birth death marriage
MS8904: judgements, liens
MS8904: marriage
CAPrivEye: A- YES! generally social security numbers are not public ...
CAPrivEye: records...
CAPrivEye: nor are drivers records
CAPrivEye: 10 - Where are MOST public records located, that we can access?
MS8904: City Halls
BCFUNDING: at the county level, court house
MS8904: State
CAPrivEye: A - COUNTY GOVERNMENT and COURTHOUSE...... has most public...
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CAPrivEye: records
CAPrivEye: 11- This is a fun test?
OnlineHost: Mcdon8947 has left the room.
CAPrivEye: ...
CAnder7466: Aren't all test?
CAPrivEye: A- YES this is a fun test!!!!!
MS8904: For You
CAPrivEye: 12- When beginning a case our FIRST step is to fill out...
CAPrivEye: our________?
Margen3: Dossier
CAnder7466: Dossier
BCFUNDING: dossier
MS8904: dossier
CAPrivEye: A- DOSSIER (WOW you are good!)
CAPrivEye: 13- Information Brokers are?
BCFUNDING: brokers selling information
MS8904: Brokers sellinginfo
CAnder7466: Companies that sell their services of info
CAPrivEye: A - For profit businesses that sell the most current
information...
CAPrivEye: on people/businesses
MS8904: Info Broker
CAPrivEye: 14 - Information brokers buy MOST information from?
BCFUNDING: government records
MS8904: government records
CAnder7466: Middlemen
CAPrivEye: A- the GOVERNMENT, BUSINESSES, and CREDIT BUREAUS...
CAPrivEye: 15 - The credit headers is important because it is up to 0-___...
CAPrivEye: days old?
MS8904: 3000
MWHILBURN: 90
CAnder7466: 5
CAPrivEye: A - 30 days
CAPrivEye: 15 - The Internet has over ___ billion white page telephone...
CAPrivEye: records?
BCFUNDING: a bunch
MS8904: 15
CAPrivEye: A - over 1 billion telephone white page records...
CAPrivEye: 17 - Addrsss updates or social security number traces should ...
CAPrivEye: cost...
CAPrivEye: around?
BCFUNDING: $7-9
MS8904: an arm and a leg
CAPrivEye: A- $1.50 - $10.00, generally $5-7 is about right (prices are...
CAPrivEye: coming down!)
CAPrivEye: 18 - Can you get a property report on-line?
MONTANA192: Yes in Fla
CAPrivEye: A - YES!!!! remember this report is sold by information
brokers...
CAPrivEye: bought from counties...
CAPrivEye: ...
CAPrivEye: well over 500 types of reports can be bought
MWHILBURN: yes
MS8904: No in Pa
CAPrivEye: 19 - Information brokers can be accessed over the internet?
BCFUNDING: yes
Margen3: yes
CAnder7466: True
MWHILBURN: yes
CAPrivEye: A - YES!!! they can and by private networks too
CAPrivEye: 20 - Genealogy researches begin at the local county governments...
CAPrivEye: ____________?
CAnder7466: False
BCFUNDING: true
CAPrivEye: A - LIBRARY, old records are generally the starting point, ...
CAPrivEye: includes...
CAPrivEye: all RECORDS...
CAPrivEye: after 1930 all census details are released and all other ...
CAPrivEye: records...
CAPrivEye: too!
CAPrivEye: 21 - Can you get criminal records?
BCFUNDING: yes
Margen3: yes
MS8904: yes
CAPrivEye: A - YES, from the municipal and superior and federal courts ...
CAPrivEye: (not...
CAPrivEye: from the police)
CAPrivEye: 22- Information brokers come 3 types - original buyers of info,...
CAPrivEye: ____, and combination?
MWHILBURN: resalers
CAPrivEye: A - Piggybackers.....they buy/resell from the original buyers
of...
CAPrivEye: information (YES!!)
MS8904: YES
CAPrivEye: 23 - What is the BEST peice of information in a missing persons...
CAPrivEye: case we could have?
MONTANA192: ssn
CAnder7466: SSN
Margen3: nane ssn
CAPrivEye: A - social security number ...one per person in the USA, ...
CAPrivEye: generally...
MS8904: SSN
CAPrivEye: not changed or duplicated...
CAPrivEye: the BEST i mean
MONTANA192: last employer
CAPrivEye: 24 - Information brokers demand a _________________ agreement...
CAPrivEye: before extending service.
BCFUNDING: service
MS8904: SIGNED
CAnder7466: Written
Margen3: signed
CAPrivEye: A - SERVICE AGREEMENT is needed for most information brokers
MS8904: FOR SURE
CAPrivEye: yes that is generally signed and written
CAPrivEye: 25 - Information brokers will work with licensed PI's and ...
CAPrivEye: any...
CAPrivEye: ________ generally?
BCFUNDING: business
MWHILBURN: business
MONTANA192: business
CAPrivEye: A - BUSINESS or licesned HOME BUSINESS
MS8904: FBI
Margen3: business
CAPrivEye: 26 - When looking for someone when do we not need a name?
MONTANA192: cia
CAnder7466: True
MONTANA192: ssn
BCFUNDING: when we have their SSN?
CAnder7466: When we have a SSN
CAPrivEye: A- when we have a social security number (YES! we are getting ...
CAPrivEye: good...
CAPrivEye: are we not!)
MONTANA192: si
MS8904: FOR SURE
CAPrivEye: 27 - Of we do not have a SSN, name and former __________ will...
CAPrivEye: provide the same report?
MONTANA192: adress
CAnder7466: Address
MWHILBURN: address or employer
CAPrivEye: ADDRESS!!!! on a credit header a name & former address gets us...
MS8904: EMPLOYER
CAPrivEye: updated info (same as SSN)
CAPrivEye: 28 - Why are people missing? 2 reasons
MONTANA192: don't want to be found
MS8904: THEY WANT TO LEAVE OR ARE KIDNAPPED
BCFUNDING: they are trying to skip from creditors like me
MONTANA192: dead
CAPrivEye: A - Running from something or simply lost contact with...
CAPrivEye: friends/loved ones/mates
CAPrivEye: 29 - Is this the last question?
CAPrivEye: A- no just one more
CAPrivEye: 30 - We can get drivers records on people without their ...
CAPrivEye: knowledge?
BCFUNDING: yes
Margen3: yes
MONTANA192: yes
CAnder7466: Depends on the State
MS8904: WHAT MOVIE IS THAT PLAYING IN
CAPrivEye: A- yes. From information brokers drivers reports in...
CAPrivEye: all states
CAPrivEye: okay .we passed!
CAPrivEye: gr8 job everyone.........
Margen3: yea!!!!!!!!
MS8904: HURRAY
CAnder7466: :-)
CAPrivEye: What we are finding out is the PI's or investigators are masters
CAPrivEye: of information,
MONTANA192: so now can we have a paperback copy of your book signed
CAPrivEye: since there are many places to get it we must know all the sources
CAPrivEye: of information to complete cases
CAPrivEye: as all cases are different.
CAPrivEye: Well if you send me your copy I will sign it and send it back.
MS8904: Will you upload the last class for us?
CAPrivEye: yes
CAPrivEye: tonight
MS8904: Thanks
CAPrivEye: So information is not easy since it exists in many places
MS8904: If we want to know more about your services can we email you?
CAPrivEye: and sometimes one piece of information can solve a case
CAnder7466: If someone wants to hire you how does one do it?
CAPrivEye: please feel free to e-mail me
CAPrivEye: to be hired I need $
MS8904: KEWL
CAPrivEye: I work with only one client now...an attorney
CAnder7466: And how does one get to you to discuss $ ?
CAPrivEye: bu an open for other cases
CAPrivEye: Does anyone have a case you feel like talking about here?
CAnder7466: Yes
CAPrivEye: Ok.....give us simple details........let me ask the questions.
MS8904: I want a background check on someone, what kind of money are we
looking at?
CAPrivEye: 1. Why are you looking for this person?
CAPrivEye: I will answer about background checks in a moment after this case.
CAnder7466: My parents want to find their only Grandchild
MS8904: I would like to discuss this in private. Do you have a problem with
that?
CAPrivEye: How long ago was this person last seen?
CAnder7466: Approx 27 years
CAPrivEye: What age were they when last seen?
CAnder7466: 3 yrs old
CAPrivEye: Adopted?
CAnder7466: Not known.... An agency took the child from my brother
CAPrivEye: Law enforcement?
CAnder7466: I think so.....
CAPrivEye: Did the child have a SSN at the time?
CAnder7466: I would think not since the parents were druggies
CAnder7466: They were on Welfare
CAPrivEye: Okay I have never seen a case like this before but lets try and
think about what to do
MWHILBURN: court records?
CAPrivEye: Have they contacted the County Child Welfare agency?
MS8904: SS# NUMBERS WERE NOT MANDATORY 27 YEARS AGO
CAnder7466: No they asked me to try and find her.... So I started herre
CAPrivEye: This is generally the agency that handles these issues.
CAnder7466: Would they talk to me?
CAPrivEye: I would first start by doing a few times
CAPrivEye: Firstly I would try the Child Welfare Agency in the county that
the child was taken
CAPrivEye: You will need to go to the offices
CAPrivEye: I would try to see what type of support they give
CAPrivEye: they will tell you some or none.
CAPrivEye: If they give none, ask them if they would deliver a letter from
the parents of the child,
CAPrivEye: since it is for humanitarian purposes and secondly, the child is
over 21
CAPrivEye: Secondly, I would go to the POLICE DEPARTMENT in the town the
child was taken
CAPrivEye: and ask to purchase a police report --- you give them the name of
the child
CAPrivEye: they might not do this since the child was a minor
CAPrivEye: but since the child is not a criminal - just a victim they might
do so
CAnder7466: Wuld there be a repot on the parents at the time of the taking?
CAPrivEye: Thirdly, contact the STATE Child Welfare Agency
CAPrivEye: and ask them for assistance and if they could deliver a letter
CAPrivEye: The Savation Army might help you too.....they have good contacts
and cost about $25 to help
CAPrivEye: you
CAPrivEye: Lastly, check COURTHOUSE records in the county
CAPrivEye: okay anymore thought from anyone?
MONTANA192: Salvation Army?
CAPrivEye: Yes they help find missing loved ones for about $25
MS8904: Yes, a wonderful organization. They helped anyone.
CAnder7466: If she was adopted out of the Court system would the records be
sealed?
CAPrivEye: probably yes
OnlineHost: Crash25744 has entered the room.
CAPrivEye: See if the court records suggest an agency
CAPrivEye: if they do, call the agency and attempt to find something out
CAnder7466: Thank you ... I'm travelling from Tennessee to California to do
this.
CAPrivEye: and see if they would be willing to forward a letter
CAnder7466: And you have given me a place to start.... Thanks
MS8904: Good Luck to you CAnder
CAPrivEye: Adoptive research is the toughest of investigations
CAPrivEye: but not impossible
CAPrivEye: okay anyone with another case?
Margen3: yes
BCFUNDING: we are trying to find a skipped debtor
MS8904: Did you forget me?
CAPrivEye: Okay to discussion background checks quickly....
CAPrivEye: checking out someone is generally their drivers record, former
employers,
CAPrivEye: an social security number trace to see if their past addresses
match what they say,
CAPrivEye: and education checks
OnlineHost: CAnder7466 has left the room.
CAPrivEye: you can do most this by yourself
MS8904: I am not a business
CAPrivEye: 1. Call colleges and former employers
CAPrivEye: 2. run an address update for address verifications
CAPrivEye: 3. run a drivers record check
MS8904: Will they give me that infor. I know present employer. What do I
ask?
CAPrivEye: 4. Check local courhouses for criminal or civil litigations
MS8904: He is in another state
CAPrivEye: Ask for EMPLOYMENT VERFIICATION
CAPrivEye: remember this is just a background check
MS8904: Most employers want this in writing with letterhead
CAPrivEye: we normally start with information on the person to begin with and
go from there
CAPrivEye: I do all my employment checks overthe telephone
MS8904: And say what?
MS8904: ask what?
CAPrivEye: EMPLOYMENT VERIFICATION runs like this
CAPrivEye: ask for HR
MS8904: K
CAPrivEye: state you are from some business
CAPrivEye: then state you need to verificay employment from a resume
CAPrivEye: and tell them the name
CAPrivEye: ask for position, title, and dates of employment
CAPrivEye: and ask if the name is the same, like the middlename
CAPrivEye: this is about all you are going to get
MS8904: K, I know all that
CAPrivEye: but if the person says they are a doctor and turns out to be a
clerk
CAPrivEye: that tells you alot
MS8904: K
CAPrivEye: about the person
CAPrivEye: simply they lie
MS8904: What do you charge to do something like that?
CAPrivEye: and if they lie about one thing, what else are they lieing about
is the
CAPrivEye: next investigative question
CAPrivEye: most PI's charge about $75-$100
MS8904: The person I am inquiring about is in SF
CAPrivEye: for something like that, but you can do this yourself cheaper
MS8904: I live in Pennsylvania
MONTANA192: an hour?
CAPrivEye: i charge $50 an hour
CAPrivEye: plus expenses
MS8904: You don'
MS8904: t come cheep
MS8904: cheap
MS8904: whatever
CAPrivEye: i am average in this industry, some are much more expensive
CAPrivEye: but you can call yourself from PN to CA cheaply and get most of
what you need
MS8904: How can I do this research from Pa.
CAPrivEye: in less than 60 minutes
MS8904: How?
CAPrivEye: use the telephone and computer (information brokers)
MS8904: What do you mean?
MS8904: Hire someone from Pa?
CAPrivEye: if you do not want to do the work yourself, hire someone local
MWHILBURN: they have telephones in sf also, pick it up & call sf!
CAPrivEye: close to yourself
CAPrivEye: a PI with a good reputation
MS8904: I am asking you. Are you not in SF
MS8904: Don't you give student discounts?
MONTANA192: good idea
CAPrivEye: I generally do not work with students, since it is a conflict of
interest
CAPrivEye: from the class to the case
MONTANA192: oh like pres and monica
CAPrivEye: well not like that
CAPrivEye: LOL
MS8904: 3000 miles away, I thinkl
MONTANA192: big cigar
CAPrivEye: okay next case.one more before we go for this evening.............
MS8904: You are a naughty girl Montana
BCFUNDING: we are trying to find skipped debtors
MONTANA192: ha ha
CAPrivEye: Margen3 first then..... BCFUNDING.both cases
CAPrivEye: Margen3 go ahead and tell us a little about your case
OnlineHost: R7543 has entered the room.
Margen3: Thanks but I think I have the info I need
CAPrivEye: ok............BCFUNDING..go ahead
BCFUNDING: we can pull credit reports and have done that
BCFUNDING: we can pull utility records and have done that
BCFUNDING: we have called all the personal references we have
BCFUNDING: now what?
CAPrivEye: what is it that you want to do ? skip trace?
BCFUNDING: yes
CAPrivEye: okay what is your specific question......is it that you are
looking for
CAPrivEye: skip's assets?
BCFUNDING: no we need to find them. They moved without a trace
BCFUNDING: when these all fail to we just wait and see if our information
gets updated?
CAPrivEye: and if i understand you right, you have run credit report, utility
records, etc...?
BCFUNDING: yes
CAPrivEye: firstly you are right about waiting for updated information but,
this type of case is more -
CAPrivEye: somethings you can do
CAPrivEye: firstly........for really tough cases......
CAPrivEye: they generally do not have credit cards
CAPrivEye: no one in there right mind would give them credit
CAPrivEye: wait..........what do you want from these people?
CAPrivEye: what is your final goal?
CAPrivEye: to get money from them?
BCFUNDING: they owe us money from a loan we need to contact them
CAPrivEye: do they have credit cards?
BCFUNDING: or garnish their employment check
CAPrivEye: ok.gr8
BCFUNDING: some times they do
CAPrivEye: do you believe they moved out of state?
BCFUNDING: one relative said yes, other one doesn't know
CAPrivEye: have they moved often in the last 7 years?
BCFUNDING: twice
CAPrivEye: they work for someone else as an employee ...not having their own
business?
CAPrivEye: or owning a house?
BCFUNDING: supposedly she rented from her mom but mom would not give out
information
CAPrivEye: okay here are a feel thing to do.....i have had cases likethis....
CAPrivEye: firstly do you have a judgment?
BCFUNDING: yes
CAPrivEye: okay then with your credit report........do they have any ACTIVE
cards?
BCFUNDING: no
BCFUNDING: and we are the only ones that have inquired on her in the last
year
OnlineHost: Margen3 has left the room.
BCFUNDING: all of her accounts are charged off or closed (except ours) of
course
CAPrivEye: firstly supeona the bank from which the cards were issued and
request
CAPrivEye: any and all information on accounts, AND
CAPrivEye: request infomration on how the cards were paid
CAPrivEye: what this means is this.........
CAPrivEye: whomever paid their accounts could be thought to be in conspiracy
CAPrivEye: to defrarud
CAPrivEye: defraud
OnlineHost: Margen3 has entered the room.
CAPrivEye: so if SUBJECT paid and closed account then end of this tactic
CAPrivEye: if SOMEONE ELSE paid SUBJECTS account then use judgement to freeze
account
CAPrivEye: if SUBJECT paid and still has account then FREEZE that account
BCFUNDING: how do you get a supeona from the court if they will not issue one
and how do you freeze an
BCFUNDING: account
CAPrivEye: you might need an attoreny for some of this.......maybe not
CAPrivEye: subpeona...........request from court......here is what i am
saying
BCFUNDING: last attorney we used sent us down the wrong road and don't want
to go
BCFUNDING: down that road again
CAPrivEye: call or go to the courthouse and ask the clerk how you do
it......she or he will tell you
BCFUNDING: if it
CAPrivEye: how to suppeona records.remember you have a judgment
CAPrivEye: that is powerful stuff!~
BCFUNDING: something the judge has to signed we have tried to get him to
force places to give up info
BCFUNDING: but he wont do it
CAPrivEye: i am not an attoreny so i do not get supeona's but i get them from
my client the attorney
BCFUNDING: good, send me an example
BCFUNDING: e-mail it so I can see what it looks like, OK?
CAPrivEye: well you need to talk to courthouse clerk or an attoeny for this
CAPrivEye: i am not an attorney
CAPrivEye: i am just telling you what to do with them to win
BCFUNDING: are cases are in small claims court that do not generally use
attorneys
BCFUNDING: sorry, our cases.....
CAPrivEye: talk to court clerk
CAPrivEye: i really an not qualified for legal advise
BCFUNDING: ok, I'll try and see if they will help most court clerks
CAPrivEye: but i know you can get one since you have a judgment
BCFUNDING: in oklahoma are dumber than rocks, I know more about the court
system than they do
CAPrivEye: Okay........any more questions?
CAPrivEye: to end this class.................you can email anytime
CAPrivEye: with any question
MONTANA192: thank you
CAPrivEye: but investigations is really just hard work and asking the tough
questions
MS8904: I feel you have given us a lot of dead ends. Your course was an ad
for Info Brokers
CAPrivEye: knowing where to go to get what you need
CAPrivEye: but remember sometimes it will be a dead end, so
Margen3: ?
CAPrivEye: knowing all avenues or sources of information generally something
breaks
MS8904: You do not want to help us.
CAPrivEye: and you get to solve the case
CAPrivEye: so I always say the case is ended ONLY when I say it is over
Crash25744: Don't you have a book out?
CAPrivEye: but trying over and over sometimes solves a case too...all
infomration needs to
CAPrivEye: be verified ...
CAPrivEye: mostly the electronic infomration
CAPrivEye: so please email with any questions and good luck in your
investigations!
CAPrivEye: Take care and best wishes.......:)
MONTANA192: bye