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CAPrivEye: Hello and good evening:) BCFUNDING: no, but it hit all around us. you probably saw it on the news MS8904: Hi MS8904: Sure I did CAPrivEye: This is the last class BCFUNDING: hello OnlineHost: CAnder7466 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: so I will begin with hand checking public records CAPrivEye: Government records CAPrivEye: and then have a small test CAPrivEye: that is open book CAPrivEye: and online CAPrivEye: so this way we can learn from each other CAPrivEye: any questions before we begin? OnlineHost: MONTANA192 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: okay now i will begin discussions about Government public records CAPrivEye: Professionals are thoroughly familiar with these records, and ... CAPrivEye: they are authorities at accessing them which is why they charge ... CAPrivEye: for their services. CAPrivEye: No doubt, these records and their acquisition are complicated. CAPrivEye: Simply put, there are too many offices and too many counties! ... CAPrivEye: But once you have experience in using the base files and ... CAPrivEye: documents, the on-line computer searches make more sense, and ... CAPrivEye: you will then more clearly understand the limitations of such ... CAPrivEye: searches. CAPrivEye: Public records are Government records CAPrivEye: andthey are generally free and can be searched at the county level CAPrivEye: at the State and Federal levels restrictions begin CAPrivEye: so here is a short list of common records CAPrivEye: and what to expect in access CAPrivEye: City and County Level CAPrivEye: Type of General File to be Found Level of Access You Might ... CAPrivEye: Find or Restrictions ... CAPrivEye: (Remember each city and county government has different levels ... CAPrivEye: of allowable access, reflected only broadly in this general ... CAPrivEye: table.) CAPrivEye: 1. Assignments (lien, judgment, etc.) 1. Access ... CAPrivEye: generally no problem CAPrivEye: 2. Bankruptcy 2. Access generally no problem CAPrivEye: 3. Birth 3. Access generally no problem, cross references ... CAPrivEye: available sometimes by date or name CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: 4. Business license (city level) 4. Access generally no ... CAPrivEye: problem CAPrivEye: 5. Criminal case filings and complete court records 5. ... CAPrivEye: Access generally no problem (must have case number which can ... CAPrivEye: sometimes be found at municipal or superior court filing ... CAPrivEye: offices, then go to the records room for the actual file) CAPrivEye: 6. Civil litigation case filings and complete court records ... CAPrivEye: 6. Access generally no problem (must have case number which ... CAPrivEye: can sometimes be found at municipal or superior court filing ... CAPrivEye: offices, then go to the records room for the actual file) CAPrivEye: 7. Death 7. Access generally no problem CAPrivEye: 8. Deeds (county recorders office) 8. Access generally ... CAPrivEye: no problem CAPrivEye: 9. Easement 9. Access generally no problem CAPrivEye: 10. Fictitious business names 10. Access generally no ... CAPrivEye: problem CAPrivEye: 11. Marriage 11. Access generally no problem CAPrivEye: 12. Pet, hunting, and fishing licenses (city level) 12. ... CAPrivEye: Local laws apply CAPrivEye: 13. Power of attorneys 13. Access generally no problem CAPrivEye: 13. Power of attorneys 13. Access generally no problem CAPrivEye: 14. Property ownership (county recorders office and can be ... CAPrivEye: cross checked by tax assessors office) 14. Access ... CAPrivEye: generally no problem CAPrivEye: 15. Probate court filings and complete court records 15. ... CAPrivEye: Access generally no problem CAPrivEye: 15. Probate court filings and complete court records 15. ... CAPrivEye: Access generally no problem ... CAPrivEye: 16. Marriage separation and divorce 16. Access generally no ... CAPrivEye: problem CAPrivEye: 17. Small claims court 17. Access generally no problem ... CAPrivEye: (must have case number which can sometimes be found at ... CAPrivEye: municipal or superior court filing offices, then go to the ... CAPrivEye: records room for the actual file) CAPrivEye: 18. Tax assessment and payment 18. Access generally no ... CAPrivEye: problem CAPrivEye: 19. Voter's Registration Sometimes restricted for political ... CAPrivEye: purposes only, but will provide name, address, telephone ... CAPrivEye: number, oftentimes occupation, and additional information this ... CAPrivEye: is the record a lot of professional PI's use CAPrivEye: State Records CAPrivEye: State records represent an outstanding resource, and they are ... CAPrivEye: the only source of comprehensive, statewide research ... CAPrivEye: information. Some of the state information is available ... CAPrivEye: directly from state offices. However, because I want you to be ... CAPrivEye: able to solve research cases within hours, let me describe the ... CAPrivEye: practical access you may have to these records.... CAPrivEye: Once again, this is not a complete listing of information, but ... CAPrivEye: it is a compilation of the most often used and discussed ... CAPrivEye: records. I don't want to burden you with a compendium of all ... CAPrivEye: the records. But I want you to become an expert on the common ... CAPrivEye: records. At the state level, records are generally more ... CAPrivEye: restricted than at local government offices. Why is this? ... CAPrivEye: Simply because state governments generally place greater control ... CAPrivEye: over records as they go from file to compilation form. In other ... CAPrivEye: words, access to a list of everything is more limited than is ... CAPrivEye: access to a single file (even though the file provides more ... CAPrivEye: information). ... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: State Level... CAPrivEye: Type of General File to be Found Level of Access You Might ... CAPrivEye: Find or Restrictions ... CAPrivEye: (Remember, again, each state government has varying levels of ... CAPrivEye: allowable access, but this table reflects general practice.) ... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: 1. Bankruptcy (at court level) 1. Access generally no ... CAPrivEye: problem ... CAPrivEye: 2. Birth 2. Some restrictions apply; generally approval of ... CAPrivEye: parties is needed ... CAPrivEye: 3. Business license 3. Access generally no problem ... CAPrivEye: 4. Criminal case filings and complete court records 4. ... CAPrivEye: Access generally no problem (again, must have case number ... CAPrivEye: which can sometimes be found at municipal or superior court ... CAPrivEye: filing offices, then go to the records room for the actual ... CAPrivEye: file) ... CAPrivEye: 5. Civil litigation case filings and complete court records ... CAPrivEye: 5. Access generally no problem (must have case number which ... CAPrivEye: can sometimes be found at municipal or superior court filing ... CAPrivEye: offices, then go to the records room for the actual file) ... CAPrivEye: 6. Death 6. Access generally no problem ... CAPrivEye: 7. Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) 7. Access ... CAPrivEye: generally restricted (some states have few or no ... CAPrivEye: limitations) ... CAPrivEye: 8. Divorce 8. Some restrictions apply ... CAPrivEye: 9. Fictitious business names 9. Access generally no problem ... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: 10. Marriage 10. Some restrictions apply ... CAPrivEye: 11. Professional Licensing 11. Access generally no problem ... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: 12. Tax, Business (only, no personal records) 12. Access ... CAPrivEye: generally no problem ... CAPrivEye: 13. Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) 13. Access generally ... CAPrivEye: no problem (provides associations to business activity by ... CAPrivEye: name) ... CAPrivEye: 14. University or colleges 14. Some restrictions ... CAPrivEye: Remeber we are discussing the hand checking of public records at Government offices here. CAPrivEye: US Government Records CAPrivEye: The key phrase here is "Freedom of Information Act." While ... CAPrivEye: these federal records are somewhat interesting and provide some ... CAPrivEye: military and other records, access takes time. A long wait is ... CAPrivEye: often the rule. Court records are available by going into the ... CAPrivEye: federal courthouses directly.... CAPrivEye: US Government Level... CAPrivEye: Type of General File to be Found Level of Access You Might ... CAPrivEye: Find or Restrictions ... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: 1. Bankruptcy (Federal court level) 1. Access generally ... CAPrivEye: no problem CAPrivEye: 2. Criminal case filings and complete court records... CAPrivEye: (Federal court level) 2. Access generally no problem ... CAPrivEye: (must have case number) CAPrivEye: 3. Civil litigation case filings and complete court records ... CAPrivEye: (Federal court level) 3. Access generally no problem ... CAPrivEye: (must have case number) CAPrivEye: 4. Social Security Administration 4. 1-800-772-1213, will ... CAPrivEye: confirm if individual is living or dead and will forward a ... CAPrivEye: letter (you must have the Social Security number) CAPrivEye: 5. Inmate Locator Line 5. Public Information, Bureau of ... CAPrivEye: Prisons, U.S. Department of Justice, 320 1st St., NW, Room 64, ... CAPrivEye: Washington, DC 20536 (202) 307-3198 or the hotline at ... CAPrivEye: (202) 307-3126 MS8904: So if you do not have a case number you are up you know what's creek. CAPrivEye: 6. U.S. Army Active Personnel Locator 6. U.S. Department of ... CAPrivEye: the Army, Worldwide Locator, EREC, Ft. Benjamin Harrison, IN ... CAPrivEye: 46249-5301 (317) 542-4211 (limited service provided) ... CAPrivEye: 7. Bureau of Naval Personnel 7. Navy Department, Washington, ... CAPrivEye: DC 20370 (limited service provided) CAPrivEye: 8. U.S. Marine Corps 8. Headquarters, Washington, DC 20380 ... CAPrivEye: (limited service provided) CAPrivEye: 9. U.S. Air Force 9. Airmen Records Annex, Randolph Air ... CAPrivEye: Force Base, San Antonio, TX 78291 (limited service provided) ... CAPrivEye: 10. U.S. Department of Transportation 10. U.S. Coast Guard, ... CAPrivEye: 400 7th Street SW, Washington, DC 20590 (limited service ... CAPrivEye: provided) CAPrivEye: 11. Army Discharged Personnel Locator Service 11. National ... CAPrivEye: Personnel Records Center, 9700 Page Blvd., St. Louis, MO ... CAPrivEye: 63132-5200 (314) 538-4201 (limited service provided) ... CAPrivEye: 12. Army Personnel Locator 12. U.S. Army Worldwide Locator, ... CAPrivEye: ELREC, Fort Benjamin Harrison, IN 46249-5301 (317) 542-4211 ... CAPrivEye: (limited service provided) CAPrivEye: 13. Military Records 13. National Personnel Records Center ... CAPrivEye: Military Personnel Records... CAPrivEye: 9700 Page Avenue, St. Louis, MO 62132-5100 or e-mail at ... CAPrivEye: center@stlouis.nara.gov CAPrivEye: 14. Army Reserve Personnel Center 1. U.S. Department of the ... CAPrivEye: Army, 9700 Page Blvd., St. Louis, MO 63132-5200 (314) ... CAPrivEye: 538-3828 (limited service provided) CAPrivEye: Remeber that Government offices and employees cannot give out any personal information CAPrivEye: regarding files in their care or other employees. CAPrivEye: Violations are $1000 fine or one year in jail. CAPrivEye: okay what are your questions? MS8904: What happens if you are looking for someone out of state and can not go directly to the MS8904: local office CAPrivEye: This is the reason why information brokers have become a large business. MS8904: How so? MS8904: That is why I am here tonight? MS8904: !!!!! CAnder7466: How would one know which place to look first? CAPrivEye: Going online I can do that from my house or office, I do not need to go to a Government offi CAPrivEye: ce. That is the reason why information brokers have become a large business. CAPrivEye: next question? MONTANA192: HOW do you get it online CAPrivEye: do you mean with an information broker/ CAnder7466: If you're looking for someone remove from a home by the State when young where would you sta MS8904: So I cannot find anything about someone unless I employ a Information Broker? is that what OnlineHost: Margen3 has entered the room. MWHILBURN: search engines, web pages, etc MONTANA192: So you use an info broker MS8904: are saying? CAPrivEye: okay wait I will bring up an information brokers sign up page...please wait MS8904: I bought that book Naked in Cyberspace and I am taking it back because it is a bunch of BULL MONTANA192: OH really MS8904: Are you talking to me Montana? MONTANA192: YES MS MS8904: Did you write the book? MONTANA192: YES MS8904: FOR SURE!!!! MONTANA192: I'm a spy MONTANA192: I'm insulted MS8904: a spy or a fly? MONTANA192: both MS8904: Really, can I hire you? MONTANA192: I charge alot MS8904: I BET MS8904: for what services MONTANA192: Wheres CA CAPrivEye: okay send me an IM and I will send you all a hyper-link to a typical signup sheet MS8904: You tell me, you are the SPY OnlineHost: MS8904 has left the room. OnlineHost: MS8904 has entered the room. MONTANA192: On the sign up form they ask for your SS# why do you have to give yours if you want info on MONTANA192: someone else BCFUNDING: CAPrivEye: I have already signed up with CDB infotek & IRSC are these good ones? CAnder7466: Is it tru that the more you give your SSN the more people know about you? MONTANA192: Again why do you have to give your SS# CAPrivEye: not sure MONTANA192: What would happen if you don't give it CAPrivEye: they will not do business with you, they will check you out too.... CAPrivEye: they want to make sure you have a business CAPrivEye: next question? CAnder7466: You never answered my first ! CAPrivEye: CDB and IRSC are excellent information brokers MS8904: Hello!!! I would like to know more about your services and please send me the hyperlink CAPrivEye: next question? Margen3: What if I don't need a business lic. # in my village? CAPrivEye: well the point here, is that information brokers want to work with people that CAPrivEye: have business reasons for their services CAPrivEye: so the details are unimportant how you get there CAPrivEye: next question? Margen3: what can I enter for a # CAnder7466: IWhat if you are tryimg to find a family memeber? CAPrivEye: generally they will not work with you to locate a family member that is what PI's are for CAPrivEye: remember Confi-Chek is just one of thousands of information brokers CAPrivEye: just one of many companies CAPrivEye: any more questions? MS8904: I sent you an e-mail, can you please send me the hyperlink. CAPrivEye: okay snet CAPrivEye: any more questions? before our test? CAPrivEye: okay lets begin then................ CAPrivEye: everyone that feels like answering please do so online here in the classroom CAPrivEye: no grades but rather an open discussion CAPrivEye: then a question and answer period... CAPrivEye: inclusive a few discussions of others topics... CAPrivEye: please hold all questions until the end of this test... CAPrivEye: then i will ANSWER ANYTHING on this topic of PI's CAPrivEye: or investigations you might have... CAPrivEye: okay first question CAPrivEye: 1- How many credit bureaus exist today in the USA and name ... CAPrivEye: them? CAPrivEye: anyone? BCFUNDING: 3 CAnder7466: three Margen3: 3 BCFUNDING: Equifax, TRW, TransUnion CAnder7466: Trans Union Equifax & TRW CAPrivEye: TRW (experian), trans Unions and Equifax CAPrivEye: 2 - What product in 1982 revolutionized the industry? Sold by ... CAPrivEye: the credit bureaus. MWHILBURN: headers CAnder7466: Headers Margen3: headers CAPrivEye: CREDIT HEADERS! sold as products = address update or social... CAPrivEye: security number trace CAPrivEye: 3- What is our most powerful tool? and why? MS8904: Pretexing BCFUNDING: telephone CAnder7466: Telephone CAPrivEye: The TELEPHONE because other than tool charges it is free to get... CAPrivEye: information!!!! CAPrivEye: 4- With the telephone whom do we want to call? BCFUNDING: friends, relatives, prior employers, etc. MS8904: you CAPrivEye: A- Some that knows is known as an EXPERT! yes!!!!!... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: the right .....you all are getting good at this!... CAPrivEye: i am glad everyone seems to understand the concepts here CAPrivEye: 5- What two methods do we use on the telephone? CAPrivEye: A- the TRUTH and PRETEXTING CAnder7466: Pretexting & Truth CAPrivEye: 6 - What is pretexting? MS8904: pretending BCFUNDING: pretending CAPrivEye: A - PRETENDING in a beleivable manner to gain support from ... CAPrivEye: someone... CAPrivEye: to tell you info you seek CAnder7466: Saying what the Expect wants to hear so as to get your info CAPrivEye: 7 - What are PUBLIC RECORDS? MS8904: statistics MWHILBURN: government records BCFUNDING: government records that are not private info Margen3: records anyone can get to CAPrivEye: A - GOVERNMENT records that the public owns and can SEE free,... CAPrivEye: generally at COUNTY level CAPrivEye: 8- What are typical or examples of GOVERNMENT PUBLIC RECORDS? BCFUNDING: liens, judgments, court records, birth, MS8904: birth, death MWHILBURN: voter reg, motor vehicle, liens, marriage, court Margen3: birth death marriage MS8904: judgements, liens MS8904: marriage CAPrivEye: A- YES! generally social security numbers are not public ... CAPrivEye: records... CAPrivEye: nor are drivers records CAPrivEye: 10 - Where are MOST public records located, that we can access? MS8904: City Halls BCFUNDING: at the county level, court house MS8904: State CAPrivEye: A - COUNTY GOVERNMENT and COURTHOUSE...... has most public... OnlineHost: Mcdon8947 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: records CAPrivEye: 11- This is a fun test? OnlineHost: Mcdon8947 has left the room. CAPrivEye: ... CAnder7466: Aren't all test? CAPrivEye: A- YES this is a fun test!!!!! MS8904: For You CAPrivEye: 12- When beginning a case our FIRST step is to fill out... CAPrivEye: our________? Margen3: Dossier CAnder7466: Dossier BCFUNDING: dossier MS8904: dossier CAPrivEye: A- DOSSIER (WOW you are good!) CAPrivEye: 13- Information Brokers are? BCFUNDING: brokers selling information MS8904: Brokers sellinginfo CAnder7466: Companies that sell their services of info CAPrivEye: A - For profit businesses that sell the most current information... CAPrivEye: on people/businesses MS8904: Info Broker CAPrivEye: 14 - Information brokers buy MOST information from? BCFUNDING: government records MS8904: government records CAnder7466: Middlemen CAPrivEye: A- the GOVERNMENT, BUSINESSES, and CREDIT BUREAUS... CAPrivEye: 15 - The credit headers is important because it is up to 0-___... CAPrivEye: days old? MS8904: 3000 MWHILBURN: 90 CAnder7466: 5 CAPrivEye: A - 30 days CAPrivEye: 15 - The Internet has over ___ billion white page telephone... CAPrivEye: records? BCFUNDING: a bunch MS8904: 15 CAPrivEye: A - over 1 billion telephone white page records... CAPrivEye: 17 - Addrsss updates or social security number traces should ... CAPrivEye: cost... CAPrivEye: around? BCFUNDING: $7-9 MS8904: an arm and a leg CAPrivEye: A- $1.50 - $10.00, generally $5-7 is about right (prices are... CAPrivEye: coming down!) CAPrivEye: 18 - Can you get a property report on-line? MONTANA192: Yes in Fla CAPrivEye: A - YES!!!! remember this report is sold by information brokers... CAPrivEye: bought from counties... CAPrivEye: ... CAPrivEye: well over 500 types of reports can be bought MWHILBURN: yes MS8904: No in Pa CAPrivEye: 19 - Information brokers can be accessed over the internet? BCFUNDING: yes Margen3: yes CAnder7466: True MWHILBURN: yes CAPrivEye: A - YES!!! they can and by private networks too CAPrivEye: 20 - Genealogy researches begin at the local county governments... CAPrivEye: ____________? CAnder7466: False BCFUNDING: true CAPrivEye: A - LIBRARY, old records are generally the starting point, ... CAPrivEye: includes... CAPrivEye: all RECORDS... CAPrivEye: after 1930 all census details are released and all other ... CAPrivEye: records... CAPrivEye: too! CAPrivEye: 21 - Can you get criminal records? BCFUNDING: yes Margen3: yes MS8904: yes CAPrivEye: A - YES, from the municipal and superior and federal courts ... CAPrivEye: (not... CAPrivEye: from the police) CAPrivEye: 22- Information brokers come 3 types - original buyers of info,... CAPrivEye: ____, and combination? MWHILBURN: resalers CAPrivEye: A - Piggybackers.....they buy/resell from the original buyers of... CAPrivEye: information (YES!!) MS8904: YES CAPrivEye: 23 - What is the BEST peice of information in a missing persons... CAPrivEye: case we could have? MONTANA192: ssn CAnder7466: SSN Margen3: nane ssn CAPrivEye: A - social security number ...one per person in the USA, ... CAPrivEye: generally... MS8904: SSN CAPrivEye: not changed or duplicated... CAPrivEye: the BEST i mean MONTANA192: last employer CAPrivEye: 24 - Information brokers demand a _________________ agreement... CAPrivEye: before extending service. BCFUNDING: service MS8904: SIGNED CAnder7466: Written Margen3: signed CAPrivEye: A - SERVICE AGREEMENT is needed for most information brokers MS8904: FOR SURE CAPrivEye: yes that is generally signed and written CAPrivEye: 25 - Information brokers will work with licensed PI's and ... CAPrivEye: any... CAPrivEye: ________ generally? BCFUNDING: business MWHILBURN: business MONTANA192: business CAPrivEye: A - BUSINESS or licesned HOME BUSINESS MS8904: FBI Margen3: business CAPrivEye: 26 - When looking for someone when do we not need a name? MONTANA192: cia CAnder7466: True MONTANA192: ssn BCFUNDING: when we have their SSN? CAnder7466: When we have a SSN CAPrivEye: A- when we have a social security number (YES! we are getting ... CAPrivEye: good... CAPrivEye: are we not!) MONTANA192: si MS8904: FOR SURE CAPrivEye: 27 - Of we do not have a SSN, name and former __________ will... CAPrivEye: provide the same report? MONTANA192: adress CAnder7466: Address MWHILBURN: address or employer CAPrivEye: ADDRESS!!!! on a credit header a name & former address gets us... MS8904: EMPLOYER CAPrivEye: updated info (same as SSN) CAPrivEye: 28 - Why are people missing? 2 reasons MONTANA192: don't want to be found MS8904: THEY WANT TO LEAVE OR ARE KIDNAPPED BCFUNDING: they are trying to skip from creditors like me MONTANA192: dead CAPrivEye: A - Running from something or simply lost contact with... CAPrivEye: friends/loved ones/mates CAPrivEye: 29 - Is this the last question? CAPrivEye: A- no just one more CAPrivEye: 30 - We can get drivers records on people without their ... CAPrivEye: knowledge? BCFUNDING: yes Margen3: yes MONTANA192: yes CAnder7466: Depends on the State MS8904: WHAT MOVIE IS THAT PLAYING IN CAPrivEye: A- yes. From information brokers drivers reports in... CAPrivEye: all states CAPrivEye: okay .we passed! CAPrivEye: gr8 job everyone......... Margen3: yea!!!!!!!! MS8904: HURRAY CAnder7466: :-) CAPrivEye: What we are finding out is the PI's or investigators are masters CAPrivEye: of information, MONTANA192: so now can we have a paperback copy of your book signed CAPrivEye: since there are many places to get it we must know all the sources CAPrivEye: of information to complete cases CAPrivEye: as all cases are different. CAPrivEye: Well if you send me your copy I will sign it and send it back. MS8904: Will you upload the last class for us? CAPrivEye: yes CAPrivEye: tonight MS8904: Thanks CAPrivEye: So information is not easy since it exists in many places MS8904: If we want to know more about your services can we email you? CAPrivEye: and sometimes one piece of information can solve a case CAnder7466: If someone wants to hire you how does one do it? CAPrivEye: please feel free to e-mail me CAPrivEye: to be hired I need $ MS8904: KEWL CAPrivEye: I work with only one client now...an attorney CAnder7466: And how does one get to you to discuss $ ? CAPrivEye: bu an open for other cases CAPrivEye: Does anyone have a case you feel like talking about here? CAnder7466: Yes CAPrivEye: Ok.....give us simple details........let me ask the questions. MS8904: I want a background check on someone, what kind of money are we looking at? CAPrivEye: 1. Why are you looking for this person? CAPrivEye: I will answer about background checks in a moment after this case. CAnder7466: My parents want to find their only Grandchild MS8904: I would like to discuss this in private. Do you have a problem with that? CAPrivEye: How long ago was this person last seen? CAnder7466: Approx 27 years CAPrivEye: What age were they when last seen? CAnder7466: 3 yrs old CAPrivEye: Adopted? CAnder7466: Not known.... An agency took the child from my brother CAPrivEye: Law enforcement? CAnder7466: I think so..... CAPrivEye: Did the child have a SSN at the time? CAnder7466: I would think not since the parents were druggies CAnder7466: They were on Welfare CAPrivEye: Okay I have never seen a case like this before but lets try and think about what to do MWHILBURN: court records? CAPrivEye: Have they contacted the County Child Welfare agency? MS8904: SS# NUMBERS WERE NOT MANDATORY 27 YEARS AGO CAnder7466: No they asked me to try and find her.... So I started herre CAPrivEye: This is generally the agency that handles these issues. CAnder7466: Would they talk to me? CAPrivEye: I would first start by doing a few times CAPrivEye: Firstly I would try the Child Welfare Agency in the county that the child was taken CAPrivEye: You will need to go to the offices CAPrivEye: I would try to see what type of support they give CAPrivEye: they will tell you some or none. CAPrivEye: If they give none, ask them if they would deliver a letter from the parents of the child, CAPrivEye: since it is for humanitarian purposes and secondly, the child is over 21 CAPrivEye: Secondly, I would go to the POLICE DEPARTMENT in the town the child was taken CAPrivEye: and ask to purchase a police report --- you give them the name of the child CAPrivEye: they might not do this since the child was a minor CAPrivEye: but since the child is not a criminal - just a victim they might do so CAnder7466: Wuld there be a repot on the parents at the time of the taking? CAPrivEye: Thirdly, contact the STATE Child Welfare Agency CAPrivEye: and ask them for assistance and if they could deliver a letter CAPrivEye: The Savation Army might help you too.....they have good contacts and cost about $25 to help CAPrivEye: you CAPrivEye: Lastly, check COURTHOUSE records in the county CAPrivEye: okay anymore thought from anyone? MONTANA192: Salvation Army? CAPrivEye: Yes they help find missing loved ones for about $25 MS8904: Yes, a wonderful organization. They helped anyone. CAnder7466: If she was adopted out of the Court system would the records be sealed? CAPrivEye: probably yes OnlineHost: Crash25744 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: See if the court records suggest an agency CAPrivEye: if they do, call the agency and attempt to find something out CAnder7466: Thank you ... I'm travelling from Tennessee to California to do this. CAPrivEye: and see if they would be willing to forward a letter CAnder7466: And you have given me a place to start.... Thanks MS8904: Good Luck to you CAnder CAPrivEye: Adoptive research is the toughest of investigations CAPrivEye: but not impossible CAPrivEye: okay anyone with another case? Margen3: yes BCFUNDING: we are trying to find a skipped debtor MS8904: Did you forget me? CAPrivEye: Okay to discussion background checks quickly.... CAPrivEye: checking out someone is generally their drivers record, former employers, CAPrivEye: an social security number trace to see if their past addresses match what they say, CAPrivEye: and education checks OnlineHost: CAnder7466 has left the room. CAPrivEye: you can do most this by yourself MS8904: I am not a business CAPrivEye: 1. Call colleges and former employers CAPrivEye: 2. run an address update for address verifications CAPrivEye: 3. run a drivers record check MS8904: Will they give me that infor. I know present employer. What do I ask? CAPrivEye: 4. Check local courhouses for criminal or civil litigations MS8904: He is in another state CAPrivEye: Ask for EMPLOYMENT VERFIICATION CAPrivEye: remember this is just a background check MS8904: Most employers want this in writing with letterhead CAPrivEye: we normally start with information on the person to begin with and go from there CAPrivEye: I do all my employment checks overthe telephone MS8904: And say what? MS8904: ask what? CAPrivEye: EMPLOYMENT VERIFICATION runs like this CAPrivEye: ask for HR MS8904: K CAPrivEye: state you are from some business CAPrivEye: then state you need to verificay employment from a resume CAPrivEye: and tell them the name CAPrivEye: ask for position, title, and dates of employment CAPrivEye: and ask if the name is the same, like the middlename CAPrivEye: this is about all you are going to get MS8904: K, I know all that CAPrivEye: but if the person says they are a doctor and turns out to be a clerk CAPrivEye: that tells you alot MS8904: K CAPrivEye: about the person CAPrivEye: simply they lie MS8904: What do you charge to do something like that? CAPrivEye: and if they lie about one thing, what else are they lieing about is the CAPrivEye: next investigative question CAPrivEye: most PI's charge about $75-$100 MS8904: The person I am inquiring about is in SF CAPrivEye: for something like that, but you can do this yourself cheaper MS8904: I live in Pennsylvania MONTANA192: an hour? CAPrivEye: i charge $50 an hour CAPrivEye: plus expenses MS8904: You don' MS8904: t come cheep MS8904: cheap MS8904: whatever CAPrivEye: i am average in this industry, some are much more expensive CAPrivEye: but you can call yourself from PN to CA cheaply and get most of what you need MS8904: How can I do this research from Pa. CAPrivEye: in less than 60 minutes MS8904: How? CAPrivEye: use the telephone and computer (information brokers) MS8904: What do you mean? MS8904: Hire someone from Pa? CAPrivEye: if you do not want to do the work yourself, hire someone local MWHILBURN: they have telephones in sf also, pick it up & call sf! CAPrivEye: close to yourself CAPrivEye: a PI with a good reputation MS8904: I am asking you. Are you not in SF MS8904: Don't you give student discounts? MONTANA192: good idea CAPrivEye: I generally do not work with students, since it is a conflict of interest CAPrivEye: from the class to the case MONTANA192: oh like pres and monica CAPrivEye: well not like that CAPrivEye: LOL MS8904: 3000 miles away, I thinkl MONTANA192: big cigar CAPrivEye: okay next case.one more before we go for this evening............. MS8904: You are a naughty girl Montana BCFUNDING: we are trying to find skipped debtors MONTANA192: ha ha CAPrivEye: Margen3 first then..... BCFUNDING.both cases CAPrivEye: Margen3 go ahead and tell us a little about your case OnlineHost: R7543 has entered the room. Margen3: Thanks but I think I have the info I need CAPrivEye: ok............BCFUNDING..go ahead BCFUNDING: we can pull credit reports and have done that BCFUNDING: we can pull utility records and have done that BCFUNDING: we have called all the personal references we have BCFUNDING: now what? CAPrivEye: what is it that you want to do ? skip trace? BCFUNDING: yes CAPrivEye: okay what is your specific question......is it that you are looking for CAPrivEye: skip's assets? BCFUNDING: no we need to find them. They moved without a trace BCFUNDING: when these all fail to we just wait and see if our information gets updated? CAPrivEye: and if i understand you right, you have run credit report, utility records, etc...? BCFUNDING: yes CAPrivEye: firstly you are right about waiting for updated information but, this type of case is more - CAPrivEye: somethings you can do CAPrivEye: firstly........for really tough cases...... CAPrivEye: they generally do not have credit cards CAPrivEye: no one in there right mind would give them credit CAPrivEye: wait..........what do you want from these people? CAPrivEye: what is your final goal? CAPrivEye: to get money from them? BCFUNDING: they owe us money from a loan we need to contact them CAPrivEye: do they have credit cards? BCFUNDING: or garnish their employment check CAPrivEye: ok.gr8 BCFUNDING: some times they do CAPrivEye: do you believe they moved out of state? BCFUNDING: one relative said yes, other one doesn't know CAPrivEye: have they moved often in the last 7 years? BCFUNDING: twice CAPrivEye: they work for someone else as an employee ...not having their own business? CAPrivEye: or owning a house? BCFUNDING: supposedly she rented from her mom but mom would not give out information CAPrivEye: okay here are a feel thing to do.....i have had cases likethis.... CAPrivEye: firstly do you have a judgment? BCFUNDING: yes CAPrivEye: okay then with your credit report........do they have any ACTIVE cards? BCFUNDING: no BCFUNDING: and we are the only ones that have inquired on her in the last year OnlineHost: Margen3 has left the room. BCFUNDING: all of her accounts are charged off or closed (except ours) of course CAPrivEye: firstly supeona the bank from which the cards were issued and request CAPrivEye: any and all information on accounts, AND CAPrivEye: request infomration on how the cards were paid CAPrivEye: what this means is this......... CAPrivEye: whomever paid their accounts could be thought to be in conspiracy CAPrivEye: to defrarud CAPrivEye: defraud OnlineHost: Margen3 has entered the room. CAPrivEye: so if SUBJECT paid and closed account then end of this tactic CAPrivEye: if SOMEONE ELSE paid SUBJECTS account then use judgement to freeze account CAPrivEye: if SUBJECT paid and still has account then FREEZE that account BCFUNDING: how do you get a supeona from the court if they will not issue one and how do you freeze an BCFUNDING: account CAPrivEye: you might need an attoreny for some of this.......maybe not CAPrivEye: subpeona...........request from court......here is what i am saying BCFUNDING: last attorney we used sent us down the wrong road and don't want to go BCFUNDING: down that road again CAPrivEye: call or go to the courthouse and ask the clerk how you do it......she or he will tell you BCFUNDING: if it CAPrivEye: how to suppeona records.remember you have a judgment CAPrivEye: that is powerful stuff!~ BCFUNDING: something the judge has to signed we have tried to get him to force places to give up info BCFUNDING: but he wont do it CAPrivEye: i am not an attoreny so i do not get supeona's but i get them from my client the attorney BCFUNDING: good, send me an example BCFUNDING: e-mail it so I can see what it looks like, OK? CAPrivEye: well you need to talk to courthouse clerk or an attoeny for this CAPrivEye: i am not an attorney CAPrivEye: i am just telling you what to do with them to win BCFUNDING: are cases are in small claims court that do not generally use attorneys BCFUNDING: sorry, our cases..... CAPrivEye: talk to court clerk CAPrivEye: i really an not qualified for legal advise BCFUNDING: ok, I'll try and see if they will help most court clerks CAPrivEye: but i know you can get one since you have a judgment BCFUNDING: in oklahoma are dumber than rocks, I know more about the court system than they do CAPrivEye: Okay........any more questions? CAPrivEye: to end this class.................you can email anytime CAPrivEye: with any question MONTANA192: thank you CAPrivEye: but investigations is really just hard work and asking the tough questions MS8904: I feel you have given us a lot of dead ends. Your course was an ad for Info Brokers CAPrivEye: knowing where to go to get what you need CAPrivEye: but remember sometimes it will be a dead end, so Margen3: ? CAPrivEye: knowing all avenues or sources of information generally something breaks MS8904: You do not want to help us. CAPrivEye: and you get to solve the case CAPrivEye: so I always say the case is ended ONLY when I say it is over Crash25744: Don't you have a book out? CAPrivEye: but trying over and over sometimes solves a case too...all infomration needs to CAPrivEye: be verified ... CAPrivEye: mostly the electronic infomration CAPrivEye: so please email with any questions and good luck in your investigations! CAPrivEye: Take care and best wishes.......:) MONTANA192: bye